Ratings/Streaming/Youtube Update

I want to play Epic.

Falling in love with Legends of Runeterra, spending $100 on it, and then just no longer playing it, with about half my purchased coins and 40,000 gems unspent (in a non-predatory monetization system with a lot of free-to-play benefits where I never felt like I had to spend money) — even though the client looks and feels great, they keep putting out fresh content, the development team is open/active in their communities/responsive to critiques, there are 10k tournaments every two months, there’s an excellent limited format where you rogue-like upgrade your deck between games with elimination being two consecutive loses and an entry consisting of two runs, there’s actual interesting lore-based champions that pull me deeper into the game and the surrounding universe, they pay for survey feedback ($5), and there are desirable cosmetics (another thing I never particularly cared about before Runeterra) — just served to illustrate how much more I enjoy Epic’s gameplay.

Similarly, since Hearthstone came out with battlegrounds I’ve played 302 hours, but I haven’t played a single game of “Hearthstone” since, and I haven’t missed it once (although Duels intrigues me).  Tried to get into Magic Arena, one skipped weekend due to a vacation, and I effectively forgot about Arena for a while, and when I remembered, I had no desire to go back. Tried to get into Eternal with Pluck U to chase the 50K world championship, game just wasn’t particularly fun to me.

In general, I’ve just come to the conclusion that I actively dislike the standard resource model for most 2-player dueling card games and their implications (missed resource drops, playing on a curve especially for midrange, exponential power differentials between resource-costs, etc.). Runeterra is far and away the best of these because they address a bunch of these issues, but some of those core issues remain.

I vastly prefer Epic’s resource system where every card costs 1 or 0, each of those is largely balanced against the other cards of that cost (with some outliers), and the only thing determining what cards I want to play is the game state not the game turn. I can manipulate the game state much more easily than the game turn, and I love setting up decks and plays that manipulate the game into a state where this one card is better than all other cards, even though they all cost the same. Games are able to play out with so much more variation because of this. Dark Draft as a heads up draft format is phenomenal as well.

Further, the spoilers for the new kickstarter sets look awesome, and they got me super excited, as well as the fact that Pantheon is going to start to be added on the app on Tuesday Nov 3. Therefore,

Weekly Streamed Saturday Twitch Challenges

Every Saturday at 1pm CST/CDT I want to play at least a best of three against someone in any epic format on the app (excluding on the day of a Monthly which I’ll stream starting at 11am ET). I will also stream it on twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/tomsepicgaming (if you would like to remain anonymous, I will cover your Epic username.)

If anyone is interested, feel free to reach out to me in the comments, the contact form, on facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/EpicCardGame / https://www.facebook.com/thomas.sorenson.545/, or on the discord https://discord.gg/QTJjTER (TomEpicGamin). (I don’t regularly check BGG or Reddit)

During the best of three, I can either do my usual talking through all of my plays by myself or we could hop into a discord/skype call that I’d broadcast. I can also actively focus on providing feedback or refrain from it as much as possible while still explaining my plays. (While also interacting with chat of course!)

For formats, the default would be Dark Draft, but I will happily work with the challenger on any format they would want to do including but not limited to: Random 30, Beginner, full Constructed, Constructed using only some sets, singleton Constructed (30, 45, or 60), Burn/Health Gain less Constructed, other custom ban lists, we each start with the same 33 cards from an alignment and then finish building from there but can’t add any more of that initial alignment, anything we can think of.

First match will be against Atlanta, Dark Draft on November 7, 2020. I will then break out those games into individual videos which I’ll post on my

New YouTube Channel

I wasn’t able to get back into my original Youtube channel after Youtube changed stuff, so I finally gave up and just created a new one: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeqfbtXRAGMdm8e06tvS9-w/videos. I am planning on posting a single-game video every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday at 7pm CST/CDT. I have preloaded it with the January 2020 Constructed Monthly, and my tutorial campaign run through. I plan on adding all of my highlighted games from Twitch so far. Including the Saturday streams, I will also be putting out content on the blog the rest of the week.

Card Ratings Finally Continued

I recently updated my Constructed Tiered Card Ratings as well as completely overhauled my Dark Draft Card Ratings. Going forward, I will be posting one new card review every Tuesday, Thursday, and Sunday at 7pm CST/CDT. To see them you can either subscribe to the blog or check out my most recent posts page: Game Reviews, Strategy Articles, and More. Seeing as how I’ll be flooding out a lot of smaller content, I do not plan on cross-posting to the Epic pages on Facebook (Fan Page, Digital), Reddit, or Board Game Geek as I have in the past, outside of potential major articles. (Feel free to post to any of those if you would like to discuss anything here with that particular community.) Also, I do not plan on actually posting anymore big articles on here for awhile, aside from one which will go up before November 20th, unless a massive wave of motivation hits. I might do some stub articles on stuff I want to put out there but don’t have the energy/full-understanding to do as thoroughly as I’d like though (Aggro-combo human token decks).

Here’s the first rating in the new style (I have a couple more written out going in alphabetical order, but I found this one was particularly interesting):

Images used with permission from White Wizard Games. These are not the final card files and are subject to change.

Draft

Spreadsheet: Other
Category: Ambush Champions (B-Tier)
Internal Category Tier: A-Tier

Constructed

Tier 4

I actually think this card is quite powerful, and I’ve been consistently impressed by it. It’s a “boring, vanilla,” airborne/ambush champion, but those stats are actually terrifying. Aerial Assassin at minimum trades with all playable airborne champions (except Sky Serpent), and it survives all of the 7 or less attack ones like Draka’s Enforcer, Angel of the Gate, Ice Drake, Strafing Dragon, Little Devil, etc. It also survives all 0-cost removal (barring bounce: Hasty Retreat, Vanishing, Disappearing Act which are all devastating), in addition to 7 damage removal which is getting to be a more important break point (Fires of Rebellion, Whirlwind, Flames of Furios). On the attack, that 9 airborne offense effectively demands a 1-cost answer as there are not many 0’s that can effectively mitigate it, since there aren’t airborne tokens to chump block (thankfully).

Further, in Dark Draft, I’ll frequently attempt to plop this down in front of a turn 1 Little Devil, Guilt Demon, or blitzing 1-cost airborne champion with 7/8 stats or lower to go for the block. This is especially true because on-turn fast targeted-removal is not valued particularly highly right now, so while they may have a slow reestablishing follow up, which isn’t ideal for me, the odds that they can remove my blocker before I eat their 0-cost champion is fairly low. Even if they do, it will frequently force them down to 3 cards in hand turn 1. If I’m holding a 0-cost buff, to counter a potential buff from my opponent, I’m even more likely to try for this play. (Erase and Banishment are the utter fail cases for this though so be aware.)

In constructed, this was a solid and necessary addition to my Sage, Kark-Hunting list. A lot of the other ambush champions that I could use for off-turn gold-punishers were either just too small and unimpactful or didn’t have reliable, in-built evasion, making them too bad/inconsistent. Against Kark, you have to push big damage early, to prevent the turbo Kark win, and you need to apply constant champion-based persistent pressure to prevent them from stabilizing into card draw. This did both, as an off-turn gold-punisher. However, if you can’t reliably play it as an off-turn gold punisher, you can’t draw enough cards to maintain a reasonable hand-size, or you need either more immediate or long term value to win, this probably isn’t your card. If Alignment doesn’t matter and burn is super prevalent, Angel of the Gate is probably better, but Angel’s 7 health is definitely a liability so if your deck is more aggressive than midrange/control, Aerial Assassin might still be better.

The threat of this card is so-high that I try to do everything I can to avoid spending my gold first on my turn if I know my opponent has it in hand and I don’t have an effective answer, similar to (but not quite as much as) Rift Summoner and Thought Plucker.

Conclusion

I feel pretty good about this schedule, but I’d be happy to hear any comments, concerns, hype, etc. if anything comes to mind. Nothing is set in stone so it can be adjusted if there is a reasonable reason.

Dark Draft Ratings Complicated

When I went to update my Dark Draft Card Ratings, to get ready to start posting my Duels ratings, I realized that the way I evaluate cards in Dark Draft has evolved so far that I could no longer in good conscience keep and expand my old ratings system. So, I completely overhauled it.

Tiers Within Tiers and Multi-Entry Cards

Card evaluations in Dark Draft are not constant. They change based on what you have drafted so far, what you have passed so far, the other cards in the pack (if picking first from a pack), and how many packs are left to draft. Generally speaking, the most powerful cards are Re-establishing Cards, 0-Cost Cards, and Card Draw. I’ve explained these three pillars of Dark Draft in my Dark Draft Simplified article, and if you have not read that yet, I suggest starting there before continuing here.

My goal for my overhauled rating system was to make something fairly modular that I could use to explain the shifting in card evaluations during a draft.

To do this, I broke all cards I’ve rated so far into four spreadsheets: Slow Champions, 0-Cost Cards, Card Draw, and Other. From there I’ve separated them into between 10 and 14 internal categories and assigned a tier to each category. Finally, all of the cards in each category have an internal category-tier.

Some cards appear in multiple categories/spreadsheets because they can fill multiple roles. In addition, I have different evaluations for Loyalty/Ally cards when you

  • Have drafted no other cards of that alignment in your deck: ~,
  • Are on track to get around 10 cards of that alignment in your deck (my target minimum for reliably triggering ally effects in limited): &,
  • Have already drafted an overwhelming number of 1-cost cards in that alignment (for Ally triggers) or an overwhelming number in general (for Loyalty X triggers). This happens incredibly infrequently and shouldn’t be relied on almost ever: &&

Each spreadsheet has a different distribution you are aiming for in each draft and each category fluctuates in tier score depending on the draft.

All of the spreadsheets can be found here (comments turned on for now): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ULFRdax-SBraiXRpdcRUFr6ZUXpa1Gf-HgiklG8M-5I/edit?usp=sharing

My Card by Card Analyses can be found here: http://www.tomsepicgaming.com/epic-card-game-dark-draft-card-ratings/

Slow Champions (Non-Ambush)

Some of the most powerful cards in the game are Slow Champions. So are most of the worst. Further, drafting too many slow champions is the most surefire way to have a weak deck.

  • Draft Approximately 5 Total

The only time the Re-establishing cards aren’t insanely powerful is when you already have 6+ Slow Champions. If you get passed them in this situation, burning them for other distributions can be the right play; however, if you open them, not taking them gives your opponent the chance to draft them, which is painful. If you are ever in a situation where you need to pick between them, having a mix of the types is valuable. Further, if you have a ton of small removal, the Multi-Target Small Re-establishers get a tiny bit worse, same with big removal and the Single Target Big Re-establishers.

Slow Tech cards defy objective overall rating. Most of these cards can range from S-Tier to F-Tier depending on specific circumstances. I outline those in my Card by Card Analyses (or I’ll at least make sure I do as I update them).

Establishing Slow champions are cards that are powerful to play while your opponent’s gold is up on your turn. This is because they guarantee you at least some value when you play them, either Card Draw or Other (mostly token spawning) effects. Some of these cards are inherently incredibly powerful, but they are almost never as strong as Re-establishing champions. I’ll generally avoid these until later in the draft when I’m under my quota of Slow champions.

On-Turn Gold-Punishers are cards that excel when played while your opponent’s gold is down. This is generally because they aren’t difficult to remove if your opponent can spend a gold but are devastating if not interacted with for a turn. I value them similar to Establishing champions, and I prefer to have a mix of both instead of all of one type, assuming my Slow Champion quota isn’t full of Re-establishing champions. However, if you are drafting a more aggressive deck, especially if you don’t have a Mass-Discard Pile Removal effect, these become more desirable.

I don’t want to commit my Slow Champions slots to Health Gain or Burn unless I’m desperate. However, if you’re an aggressive deck, burn becomes better, and if you think your opponent is building aggressive, Health Gain becomes better.

Just Bad cards are just bad. You basically only want to draft them if all of your options are just bad.

0-Cost Cards

0-cost cards let you manipulate the game to dodge your opponent’s 1-gold cards and maximize your own. While 1-cost cards have stronger effects, 0’s can be more impactful by either forcing your opponent to spend their gold first or giving you plays after you commit yours.

  • Draft At Least 10 (but don’t take terrible ones to fill your quota)
  • No Upper Limit Except Other Distributions

Having a Mass Discard Pile Removal card effectively means your opponent can’t win by decking out (winning by having an empty deck when they’re required to draw a card), as long as you recycle it as soon as possible after playing it. If you don’t recycle it early, it is possible your opponent could draw all the way through their deck and win while your card is either still in your discard pile or deck. Generically, this is arguably the most important category in Dark Draft both to get one for yourself and to deny one to your opponent. That being said, if you are already drafting a fairly aggressive deck that can win through damage, other S-Tier cards can eclipse these.

0-cost Re-establishing cards do effectively the same thing as their 1-cost counterparts. They remove a small threat and give you a small threat. These are particularly powerful early in the game and when there are practically no champions in play. The left over bodies can also make excellent chump blockers. Only in the most excruciatingly powerful packs would I pass these cards.

Muse is an S-Tier card that doesn’t fit the other S-Tier categories.

Having a good mix of 0-cost Blitz champions, Ambush champions, and Small Removal is valuable for fighting the 0-cost war that is the current Dark Draft meta (10/25/2020). Blitz champions give you an immediate threat while both players’ golds are available. Ambush champions give you either chump blockers without needing a gold or an off-turn threat when both golds are spent and the board is empty. Small Removal lets you get rid of those Blitz and Ambush champions before they can have an impact, in addition to functioning as high gold-tempo answers to low health threats like Thought Plucker or Pyrosaur.

All of the Other 0-cost cards are just solid cards that don’t belong to any necessary-to-split-out categories. You don’t need any of them, and there is no limit to them. So, take as many as you can get, while still focusing on satisfying your deck requirements.

0-cost Tech cards once again defy objective overall ranking. Most of these cards can range from S-Tier to F-Tier depending on specific circumstances. I outline those in my Card by Card Analyses (or I’ll at least make sure I do as I update them).

Targeted Discard Pile Removal, Health Gain, and Burn are all secondary considerations based on how the draft is unfolding. If you haven’t been able to pick up a Mass Discard Pile Removal effect, the targeted version cards get a bit better. If your opponent seems to be drafting an aggressive deck, Health Gain gets better; If you’re drafting the aggressive deck, Burn gets better. Using your unlimited 0-cost slots to gain an edge in these categories is better than using your limited Slow Champion slots.

Finally, we have the Mediocre 0-cost cards. Still better than some 1-cost cards though.

Card Draw

The primary function of Card Draw is to enable you to spend your gold every turn your opponent spends theirs, at minimum. It also gets you to your most powerful/situational cards sooner, in addition to finding you more 0’s.

  • Draft At Least 15
  • Be Careful not to Over-draft Draw and Under-draft Threats though, especially if you don’t have Mass Discard Pile Removal

Re-establishing Cards with “Or Draw 2” effects are absurdly strong and now reliably versatile.

Cards that “Draw 2 And” give you another effect are phenomenal since you’re going to have to draw anyway, might as well get more when you do. (Also while Thought Plucker isn’t technically a Draw 2 And, you do net gain 1 card in hand on your opponent and have something left over. Mainly, it is an S-Tier card I didn’t feel like creating its own S-Tier Category for. And I’m tired of it.)

See 0-cost Mass Discard Pile Removal section above for my explanation of why these are critical (opponent effectively can’t deck out).

“Or Draw 2” Board Clears are excellent because they give you a necessary effect you need in all games (draw 2), attached to a highly-situational game-saving effect (board clear when you fall too far behind your opponent). Off-turn board clears are especially valuable because they can deal with most shenanigans your opponent might try to throw at you. Further, quite a few board clears don’t affect certain champions, which you can actively set up to exploit for a one-sided clear. Having a couple board clears, especially off-turn ones, just in case, is a wise move. If you have an overwhelming amount of Re-establishing cards, they become less valuable, but they’re always at least Card Draw.

I haven’t worked out a general guideline on how much Recycle to put in a deck yet, but you don’t want to overly rely on Recycle for your card draw. If you already have a bunch, more Recycle will drop in value significantly.

Tech “Or Draw 2s” are particularly valuable because their floor is a Draw 2. Therefore, aside from overdrafting card draw in general, you’ll never be punished for taking one of these cards. The non-draw 2 effects, however, defy objective overall ranking. Most of these effects can range from S-Tier to F-Tier depending on specific circumstances. I outline those in my Card by Card Analyses (or I’ll at least make sure I do as I update them).

Health Gain and Burn that can also draw cards are some of the most valuable for these categories, since the card draw is always valuable.

Single Champion Removal isn’t a category you necessarily need to draft, but it is nice to have a little that can maintain your board while protecting you from your opponent’s.

All Other “Or Draw 2’s” are also A-Tier, but don’t fall into categories that need to be explicitly split out.

Ambush Champions that Draw 1 Card are frequently solid, but they usually aren’t quite as reliable at explicitly drawing cards.

Tech Cards that Draw 1 Card aren’t effective card draw although I do count them towards the 15 card minimum. Aside from that, defy objective overall ranking, range from S-Tier to F-Tier, Card by Card Analyses.

Slow Champions that Draw 1 Card are a bit less desirable because your slow champion slots are so precious. Getting into a position where you are forced to focus on getting card draw with those slots is not ideal.

Relying on Circumstantial Card Draw is only for the desperate. While not all of them are bad in their own right, you can’t guarantee you’ll be able to get their card draw.

Other

Only draft these if you either can’t get the above or have already met their distributions, with a few incredibly powerful exceptions.

  • Filler
  • Grab Some Ambush Threats Though

The S- and A-Tier cards are worth taking over a lot of cards in the previous 3 spreadsheets.

Having some Ambush Champions is excellent for those situations where you are able to get ahead with your Re-establishing champions on your turn, and then your opponent spends their gold first on their turn. Follow that up with an ambush threat and they’re back in trouble. If all you ever do when they spend their gold first on their turn is draw cards, you better hope you have a Mass Discard Pile Removal and they don’t, or you (probably) won’t win.

Non-“Or Draw 2” Board Clears, Burn, and Health Gain are all fine to pick up here, since you don’t have spreadsheet level mandatory quotas for Others.

Other Tech cards are gonna Tech card: take them if you have a specific reason why they fit well in your deck, avoid them if you don’t. See Card by Card Analyses.

Other Others are fine.

Just Bad cards are just bad.

Further Updates Coming

Seeing as I was not expecting to completely overhaul my Dark Draft ratings, my timeline for my next big updates for Tom’S Epic Gaming have been delayed a bit. I’m hoping to get them up before the Monthly Tournament (Dark Draft) this Saturday October 31 at 10am CDT which I will be streaming at https://www.twitch.tv/tomsepicgaming. The updates will address my timeline for getting out the Duels ratings (and finishing the Pantheon ratings) among other things.

In the meantime, I didn’t spend quite as much time as I probably should have fiddling with the specific tiers of all of the cards. So, if you see something that looks wrong/you don’t agree with, let me know and we can at minimum discuss it. If I don’t hear anything, I probably won’t make card tweaks until I notice something off while adding new cards. Similarly, there are a few more things I probably should have mentioned in this post that I didn’t, so call me out on them if you think of any, so I’ll feel compelled to address them in the comments and add them. Aside from that, have a nice week.

Tatian No Burn Showmatch VoDs

I have finished roughly editing the games from my best of 7 showmatch against John Tatian. Working on setting up the next one, and I’m hoping to get the VoDs from the August Monthly up this weekend.

Game 1 (VoD didn’t finish processing before I had to leave for work yesterday, nor when I re-edited it and tried again today. Hopefully I’ll be able to add it when I get home. I’ll also add all games to a Twitch collection then as well.)

Game 2

Game 3

Game 4

Game 5

Game 6

Game 7

I’ve also saved the unedited footage of my last minute deck tweaks before the start of the showmatch.

(No Direct Burn/Life Gain) John Tatian Showmatch

This Saturday, August 22th, at 12:00pm noon EDT (11:00am CDT), I will compete against John Tatian in a modified No Burn/Lifegain showmatch. It will be best of 7 with a relaxed banlist where we both bring 4 decks. First person to defeat all of their opponent’s decks wins. I will be streaming it at https://www.twitch.tv/tomsepicgaming and John Tatian said he would look into streaming his side at https://www.twitch.tv/johntatian

**Edit: The saved videos can be found here.

3x Anguish Demon
2x Endbringer Ritualist
3x Invoke Pact
3x Street Swindler
2x The Gudgeon
3x Zombie Apocalypse

2x Corpse Taker
3x Guilt Demon
3x Little Devil

3x Erase
3x Evict
3x Ice Drake
3x Lesson Learned
3x Reset
3x Time Walker
3x Ware Machine
1x Wave of Transformation

2x Ensnaring Rune
3x Keeper of Secrets
3x Shadow Imp
3x Warrior Golem

2x Surprise Attack
1x Lash
One of my decks from the first tournament

No Burn/Life Gain Recap

The first No Burn/Health Gain tournament didn’t have much turnout, but we did get these three games:

My curiosity for a burnless*/health gainless* format is far from satiated though. Therefore, I’ve reached out to John Tatian, and he has agreed to my proposal of a modified No Burn/Health Gain showmatch. (Additional showmatches in this format are a possibility.)

Format

Both players will bring 4 decks that can’t have 30+ of the same cards in common between any of the two decks. After each game, the winner will remain on their selected deck, and the loser will swap to one of their remaining decks. Once a player has defeated all 4 of their opponent’s decks, that player wins.

Updated Banlist

While building lists for the first tournaments, I felt like the banlist was too restrictive for deck archetype diversity. So, I have unbanned all of the Righteous cards (Avenging Angel, Gold Dragon, Justice Prevails), Soul Hunter, Plague Zombies, and Thought Plucker/Muse (although I’ll probably regret those last two). Essentially, I’ve added back my personal vendetta cards and Situational Burn/Health Gain while keeping Direct burn and Health Gain banned. (Drinker of Blood remains banned, however, for its displayed potential for infinite duration mirror matches.)

Full List:

Good (17)

1-cost Cards (12):

Absolve
Angel of Light
Angel of the Gate
Avenging Angel
Breath of Life
Ceasefire
Chamberlain Kark
Gold Dragon
Inner Peace
Justice Prevails
Royal Escort
Vital Mission

0-cost Cards (5):
(Blind Faith)
Brand, Rebel Fighter
Mobilize
Priest of Kalnor
Priestess of Angeline
Second Wind

Evil (13)

1-cost Cards (8)

Dark One’s Apprentice
Devour
Drain Essence
Drinker of Blood
Plague
Plague Zombies
Soul Hunter
Zannos, Corpse Lord

0-cost Cards (5):

Consume
Corpsemonger
Heinous Feast
Unquenchable Thirst
Villify

Sage (10)

1-cost Cards (4):

Blue Dragon
Helion, the Dominator
Storm Dragon
Thought Plucker

0-cost Cards (6):

Disappearing Act
Forcemage Apprentice
Fumble
Lightning Elemental
Lightning Mage
Muse

Wild (22)

1-cost Cards (16):

Ascendant Pyromancer
Draka’s Fire
Fires of Rebellion
Flame Strike
Flood of Fire
Forked Lightning
Hunting Raptors
Lightning Storm
Polar Shock
Pyromancer
Pyrosaur
Rain of Fire
Savage Uprising
Scarros, Hound of Draka
Strafing Dragon
Whirlwind

0-cost Cards (6):

Fire Shaman
Fireball
Flame Spike
Flash Fire
Forked Jolt
Javelin Thrower

Tournament 1 (No Burn/Health Gain) Saturday August 8 at 1pm CDT

I sent out this form to finalize some of the details for the first tournament in the No Burn/Health Gain tournament series, and I will go over the results below.

Start time is Saturday, August 8 at 1pm CDT

(No one mentioned a conflict for that time nor had a preference for a different one.)

Battlefy and Discord

I’ve hosted the tournament on Battlefy: https://battlefy.com/toms-epic-gaming/epic-no-burnhealth-gain/5f2ce461d1baf1347f4ed64c/info

Any discussion needed during the tournament will be done on the Epic Card Game discord: https://discord.gg/QTJjTER

Targeted Direct Damage Champions, Banned

86% of respondents believe champions that can deal targeted direct damage should not be allowed (Pyromancer for example). So, they are banned.

One Game Matches

There was not a consensus on number of games:

Since I was not planning on allowing deck changes for Bo3, I am counting the purple vote for Bo1. While I would personally prefer Bo3 (which technically evens out the votes here), I’ll yield to the one game voters. I figure playing it safe for round time is probably not a bad thing for a brand new meta.

All Cards Asked About are Banned

Ceasefire and Fumble were unanimous bans. Gold Dragon, Justice Prevails, and Soul Hunter had over 70% support for ban. The rest were close.

I am going with the majority for Thought Plucker and Avenging Angel, and I am casting the tie-breaking vote to ban Muse.

Full Banlist (Includes Plague)

**Important** I forgot to include Plague in the first list. Since it can deal direct damage to a player, it is banned.

Good (17)

1-cost Cards (12):

Absolve
Angel of Light
Angel of the Gate
Avenging Angel
Breath of Life
Ceasefire
Chamberlain Kark
Gold Dragon
Inner Peace
Justice Prevails
Royal Escort
Vital Mission

0-cost Cards (5):
(Blind Faith)
Brand, Rebel Fighter
Mobilize
Priest of Kalnor
Priestess of Angeline
Second Wind

Evil (13)

1-cost Cards (8)

Dark One’s Apprentice
Devour
Drain Essence
Drinker of Blood
Plague
Plague Zombies
Soul Hunter
Zannos, Corpse Lord

0-cost Cards (5):

Consume
Corpsemonger
Heinous Feast
Unquenchable Thirst
Villify

Sage (10)

1-cost Cards (4):

Blue Dragon
Helion, the Dominator
Storm Dragon
Thought Plucker

0-cost Cards (6):

Disappearing Act
Forcemage Apprentice
Fumble
Lightning Elemental
Lightning Mage
Muse

Wild (22)

1-cost Cards (16):

Ascendant Pyromancer
Draka’s Fire
Fires of Rebellion
Flame Strike
Flood of Fire
Forked Lightning
Hunting Raptors
Lightning Storm
Polar Shock
Pyromancer
Pyrosaur
Rain of Fire
Savage Uprising
Scarros, Hound of Draka
Strafing Dragon
Whirlwind

0-cost Cards (6):

Fire Shaman
Fireball
Flame Spike
Flash Fire
Forked Jolt
Javelin Thrower

Any Questions? Let me know!

I have recorded a video of my first thoughts on how I think the meta might shake out. This will be posted with other content at the end of the tournament series. I will also be streaming my matches at https://www.twitch.tv/tomsepicgaming

*Unofficial* No Burn/Life Gain Questionnaire: First Tournament/General

First off, I will be streaming the Epic Legend series at https://www.twitch.tv/tomsepicgaming starting in a few minutes

To get answers for questions such as

  • general tournament series questions
  • banlist
  • 1st tournament start time

I have created a google form at: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe_5SyyeEQnW7rSY3ZvLzYYk3JSgeQ26QPTv5eOaBSJR9pZrg/viewform?usp=sf_link

Feel free to fill it out there or supply your answers here for discussion:

No Burn/Life Gain* Tournament Series (General)
This survey is to figure out the general banlist for the entire tournament series (http://www.tomsepicgaming.com/no-burn-health-gain-tournament/) as well as specifics for the first tournament. First the general questions
1.
Should champions that can deal targeted direct damage (Pyromancer but not Pyrosaur) be included with an agreement not to target the player? *
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Mark only one oval.
Yes
No
No Preference
2.
How many games should a match be? (If we do, we will have to determine how to handle it later.) *
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Mark only one oval.
Best of 3
1 game
2 games
No preference
Other:
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If we don’t do one game only, should there be a sideboard? *
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No Burn/Life Gain* Tournament Series (Ban List)
The idea behind the bulk of the banlist is to see what happens when Burn and Health Gain are removed. There are some exceptions though which we’ll go through card by card. I have no problems with tweaking this list. (Blind Faith is not in app so is banned.)
Current Banlist
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Ban Ceasefire? (Banned by WWG, incredibly efficient at disrupting attacks and drawing cards) [I lean towards ban it but could go either way.] *
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Ban Fumble? (Banned by WWG, incredibly efficient at disrupting an attack and replacing itself for 0) [I lean towards ban it but could go either way.] *
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Ban Thought Plucker? (I’m tired of playing against this card, and I feel like it has done too much to warp the meta around it in the past. We are losing some strong answers to it, but gaining some as well from Duels.) *
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Ban Muse? (Same reasoning as Thought Plucker) *
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Unban Avenging Angel? (While it does gain the player life, it has to deal damage in combat to do it, and there are multiple effective ways to interact with it for every alignment) [I currently have it unbanned] *
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Unban Gold Dragon? (It is similar to Avenging Angel, but it doesn’t personally need to attack to gain health, and it threatens too much health gain. That being said, champion based Good decks have needed all the help they could get in the past to be viable) [I currently have it still banned] *
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Unban Justice Prevails? (Similar to Gold Dragon in that it threatens a ton of health gain, but there is a lot of setup required for a one-turn effect) [I currently have it still banned] *
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Unban Soul Hunter (Even though I considered adding it back in since: it needs at least 1 other card to combo with it to deal the damage immediately, it doesn’t deal that much damage at first, and there are multiple ways to interact with it, ultimately, I decided to keep it banned because Good and Wild have no way to interact with it if it is discarded and then continuously broken immediately at the start of its controller’s turns when it returns to play.) [I currently have it still banned] *
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Are there any other cards you actively think should be banned/unbanned? (I have thought of multiple others for banning, but decided against all of them for now, and in an effort to not overly influence deck building, I am not mentioning them myself. Cards to consider unbanning can be mentioned freely though.)
First Tournament
Day and Time
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What time(s) would work best for you if interested in participating? Two possibilities are – Saturday August 8th at 1pm CDT – Sunday August 9th at 10am CDT (I should be able to make any time on either of those days work though or a future weekend) *

No Burn/Health Gain* Tournament

Wild decks and Control decks have dominated and shaped Epic’s competitive constructed meta forever. This is partly due to the effectiveness of uninteractable direct damage effects such as Strafing Dragon and Scarros. In a moment of frustration having just been burned out, after getting reverse burned out by two previous Kark players, following my own burning out of a third Kark player, I wondered what the game would be like if no burn (damage or life loss that can target a player) or health gain effects existed. I was intrigued and didn’t have an answer, so I decided to put on an unofficial Epic Digital tournament series to find out, this.

Format

In order to best explore what an Epic meta with no burn and (almost) no health gain looks like, I’m thinking the best way to do this is with a scheduled tournament, followed by two to four weeks of individually scheduled round robin matches, and then a culminating scheduled tournament. Each individual event will have a winner, and if someone wins two of the three events, they will be the overall winner. As of now, I am planning on not having prizes since I think it would be awesome if some WWG employees joined in too! (For example but not limited to CJ, Darwin, Rob, etc.)

I am hypothesizing that the removal of burn and health gain will simultaneously slow down the format while also decreasing the average game time. Therefore, every match will be best of three.

For the schedule tournaments, I figured we could use battlefy + discord and hold a tournament similar to the monthly tournament (4+ round of swiss cut to top 4/8 depending on the number of participants). Round limit of approximately an hour plus 4 turns with tie break going to the player with more health remaining and final tie breaker going to whoever went first that game. Use the same deck throughout the entirety of the tournament. Decklists will be posted after each tournament. First tournament will provide a baseline, last tournament will demonstrate how the meta evolved.

For the weeks of round robin, *ideally* everyone would play each other player once with between one and four matches per week. A player must use the same deck throughout the match, but may change decks between matches. Decklists will not be required to be posted during this event. This event will require discussion to iron out the details.

It will NOT be necessary to play more than one event.

Dates and Times

I figured we could hold the first tournament either Saturday August 8th at 12:45pm CDT or anytime Sunday August 9th. Let me know what times would work best for anyone interested. I could possibly do an earlier time on that Saturday if necessary.

The weeks of round robin would start that following Monday. The number of weeks would depend on the number of interested participants as well as the number of matches we would want to shoot for in a week. I would also personally be fine with allowing people to commit to playing only a portion of the events. The player with the most event wins (within the established “limit” per week) would be the winner.

The second tournament would most likely be on the weekend following the last week of round robin, as long as it does not interfere with an official WWG tournament.

Full Event Banlist

The full ban list can be found below and is primarily based around burn and health gain, but I want to go over the exceptions to those criteria first.

EXCEPTIONS

Banned: Ceasefire, Fumble, Blind Faith (WWG bans, even though this is a different environment from what they were banned in, they are too disruptive and efficient in a combat-damage-only environment and I don’t want the events to potentially center around already banned cards)
Banned: Thought Plucker, Muse (Primarily because I hate them and I’m drunk on my power from organizing this, but also because I feel they overly inhibit deck building)

NOT Banned:

Avenging Angel (While it does gain the player life, it has to deal damage in combat to do it, and there are multiple effective ways to interact with it for every alignment)

Clarifications/Considerations

[Gold Dragon is still banned for this because it doesn’t personally need to attack to gain health, and it threatens too much health gain. Similar reasoning behind Justice Prevails still being banned.]

[Soul Hunter is still banned for this even though I considered adding it back in since: it needs at least 1 other card to combo with it to deal the damage immediately, it doesn’t deal that much damage at first, and there are multiple ways to interact with it. Ultimately, I decided to keep it banned because Good and Wild have no way to interact with it if it is discarded and then continuously broken immediately at the start of its controller’s turns when it returns to play.]

[I considered banning other cards for this event too but decided not to at this time.]

All other cards that can gain a player health or directly decrease a player’s health without dealing combat damage are BANNED (for this event)

(The exceptions above are also included in this list)

Good (15)

1-cost Cards (10):

Absolve
Angel of Light
Angel of the Gate
Breath of Life
Ceasefire
Chamberlain Kark
Gold Dragon
Inner Peace
Justice Prevails
Royal Escort
Vital Mission

0-cost Cards (5):
(Blind Faith)
Brand, Rebel Fighter
Mobilize
Priest of Kalnor
Priestess of Angeline
Second Wind

Evil (11)

1-cost Cards (6)

Dark One’s Apprentice
Devour
Drain Essence
Drinker of Blood
Plague Zombies
Soul Hunter
Zannos, Corpse Lord

0-cost Cards (5):

Consume
Corpsemonger
Heinous Feast
Unquenchable Thirst
Villify

Sage (10)

1-cost Cards (4):

Blue Dragon
Helion, the Dominator
Storm Dragon
Thought Plucker

0-cost Cards (6):

Disappearing Act
Forcemage Apprentice
Fumble
Lightning Elemental
Lightning Mage
Muse

Wild (22)

1-cost Cards (16):

Ascendant Pyromancer
Draka’s Fire
Fires of Rebellion
Flame Strike
Flood of Fire
Forked Lightning
Hunting Raptors
Lightning Storm
Polar Shock
Pyromancer
Pyrosaur
Rain of Fire
Savage Uprising
Scarros, Hound of Draka
Strafing Dragon
Whirlwind

0-cost Cards (6):

Fire Shaman
Fireball
Flame Spike
Flash Fire
Forked Jolt
Javelin Thrower

Everything Open to Discussion

None of this is set in the stone, not the format, not the complete banlist, not the dates/times, etc. If anyone has any suggestions/recommendations etc. let me know and we can work through the best way to do this. You can either comment on here or any of the places I’ll cross-post this: the Epic Digital Facebook group, Epic Reddit group, Epic Board Game Geek page, the Epic Discord, or on Twitter. If it isn’t on here, please tag me as I can forget to check each of the locations at times.

Streaming

I will be streaming all of my scheduled tournament games and potentially round robin games too at https://www.twitch.tv/tomsepicgaming\. I plan on experimenting with a lot of different decks since I believe all alignments will potentially be viable.

Decklists

I will compile all of the decklists on here. Please send me the exportable deck code from the app at least after each tournament. If you could send me a screenshot of the full deck as well, that would be helpful, otherwise I can do that part myself.

A Note on Note-Taking

While talking to Christian Kudahl after our Dark Draft Showmatch he mentioned a note taking strategy that intrigued me. So, I asked him to write up his thoughts on it. Game one was saved and can be viewed here: Game 1 vs Kudahlissimo

I first talked to Tom Sorenson about a year ago because I was a fan of his blog. As an amateur Epic player with no real competitive opponents around, getting to read his draft guides and tournament reports was really exciting for me. Tom was even nice enough to help out with a lot of testing my game Unleash, which is scheduled to come out later this year. His expertise in competitive card games was a huge help.

With the Epic app, we also started playing Epic together. We always played Dark Drafts, and I was really excited when I was able to get a win against him now and then. After some matches, he challenged me to a best of five match which he would stream. It sounded like a lot of fun for me, though I was a bit nervous. I have never played Epic tournaments or any kind of “official” matches before. I knew he was strong, and I really wanted to beat him.

If you have not yet seen the match, I would recommend watching game one before reading more. It can be watched here:

Game 1 vs Kudahlissimo

To prepare myself, I started re-reading every entry on his blog. I wanted to internalize his style. What did he value in Dark Drafts? What did he overvalue? (Tokens!) Which cards did he draft even though he kind of knew he shouldn’t? (Rampaging Wurm seems to tempt him every time.) What does he undervalue? (Knight of Shadows, that guy is strong!)

I knew that Tom was streaming the match and he wanted to take some time explaining all his choices thoroughly to the viewers, so the matches would be quite slow. I wanted to use this to my advantage. I came up with the ultimate note-taking scheme:

With every pick in the Dark Draft, I would note the four cards I sent to him (I call this a quad). I would note the two cards I expected him to pick in one list (called ‘the decklist’), and the two cards I expected him to burn in another list (called ‘the burnlist’).

During the matches, every time he played or revealed a card, I would cross reference it with the decklist and the burnlist. If he played a card from the burnlist, I would find the two cards I had expected him to draft in the decklist and decide the one I think he actually picked, and swap the other with the card from the burnlist. If I ever saw him playing two cards from a quad (four cards I had sent to him), I knew the other two could not be in his deck, so I would stop playing around them.

With my scheme, I was ready to crush Tom on his own stream. So how did it go?

Pretty bad, actually. The first two games, I found myself making lots of mistakes that I normally consider myself too good for. I suspected that the reason was me spending so much brain power with this ridiculous note-scheme that I only had a small focus on the actual game itself. Tom played really well and I soon found myself down 2-0.

Like the basketball team in any American movie I watched as a kid, it was half-time in the finals and I was way behind. I needed to do something. I decided to throw my note-scheme out the window and play the remaining games from my gut. With a mix of good play and good fortune, I was able to get back to a score of 2-2. We now had one deciding game remaining.

Due to a baby-situation at home, I was unfortunately unable to finish the match. However, as a European, ending 2-2 is quite fine and the result of an exciting soccer match. I enjoyed playing the games a lot and my two final observations are these:

  • Realize that taking notes is not free. This also applies in real-life matches where the notes are taken internally in your head. In both cases, it costs brain power that will be taken away from your actual play. Is your note-taking scheme providing a benefit comparable to the effort you are putting in?
  • In other games (such as Hearthstone) using deck-tracking software is sometimes allowed. It is a piece of software which tracks for example which cards are still in your deck or how many turns certain cards have stayed in the opponent’s hand. All the boring stuff that you would be able to track by paper anyway but you don’t feel like doing. After this match with Tom, I realize that the power of such software in Epic Dark Draft would be enormous. By remembering all the Dark Draft picks and burns (and Deck 2, see http://www.tomsepicgaming.com/epic-theory-an-introduction-to-deck-2/ ), you theoretically have a ton of information about what is in the opponent’s deck and hand. It is probably for the best that such software does not exist.

I look forward to our next match where I will have revised my note-taking scheme. If anyone has a different note-taking scheme or other ideas on the subject, I would love to hear about it.

Epic Legend Series Stream

WWG is having a Legend Series event on the app tomorrow 6/19/20 at 1pm ET where the winner will become an Epic card (https://www.epiccardgame.com/play-in-an-online-legend-series-with-epic-card-game-digital/). It is a dark draft tournament where 100% of the proceeds of ticket sales will be donated to Black Lives Matter Global Network. It costs $3-5 in gems to enter. I haven’t decided if I’m competing in it yet. If I do, I’ll be streaming it without delay at https://www.twitch.tv/tomsepicgaming